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Re: OSE Φ1 Lbms/Lbms-v Yugoslavia 1964

PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:04 am
by BarbaPanagos
I had a discussion some time ago with Yannis (erail) and he pointed out that another type of the "Haus zu Haus" container had been also in use with SEK.
The SEK markings are obvious, what do you think? Is it possible that there was some older similar type (small container carrier) wagon in SEK fleet?
https://www.erail.gr/en/shop/artitec-48 ... ontainers/


SEK Haus zu Haus 01.jpg

SEK Haus zu Haus 02.jpg

Re: OSE Φ1 Lbms/Lbms-v Yugoslavia 1964

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:35 am
by TEE1055
You rˋe right, Barbas!
I have seek in Swiss archives to Model the pa-History by SEK/OSE and SBB. That System was Invented by the Netherlands after the WWII. It was the first european—wide standardized intermodal transport system!
Exactly the same Container was tested and lather bought in 1948 by SBB. The Holland-type contaniers are disappeared very early because of unknown problems and replaced by a wooden (!) design. I think in Greece was that similar, but SEK has choosen a modified steel design, the until today wellknown tobacco container.
Note the simple road carrier on the picture above. The original DAF road trucks, equipped with hydraulics, are extreme expensive. They are only ecnomical with a high traffic density. For smaller stations, SBB has also coosed the same way and has used self-built simple equipment.
Further, the publications of the „Studiengesellschaft für Behälterverkehr“ conatins no pictures or detailed informations about the pa-Traffic in Greece.
Barba, at Rentis near the two Yugoslavians is a older porter car with 3 places for container, simple designed on a old german underframe.

Re: OSE Φ1 Lbms/Lbms-v Yugoslavia 1964

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:31 pm
by BarbaPanagos
Thanks Johannes, that would be possible, using old vans frames modified to carriers.
It's strange that not even one of those older containers have not survived till now. The Yugoslavian ones are everywhere 55 years later...

Re: OSE Φ1 Lbms/Lbms-v Yugoslavia 1964

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:42 pm
by TEE1055
This week, i have found one of these pioneers in intermodal transport north from the larissa station: An original netherland-type container. They are smaller than their successors, like in the 1:87-scale.
Have anyone more informations since the container is there and how long they are used?

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The NS-original is from Artitec, available at Erail.

Re: OSE Φ1 Lbms/Lbms-v Yugoslavia 1964

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:06 pm
by BarbaPanagos
Great comparative photo! and a great idea for a layout detail!
It's the first time I see this type, let's hope to learn more soon.

Re: OSE Φ1 Lbms/Lbms-v Yugoslavia 1964

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:33 pm
by TEE1055
There is the result of Panagiotis footage from my research:

IMG_3048 - Kopie.JPG

Re: OSE Φ1 Lbms/Lbms-v Yugoslavia 1964

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:33 pm
by BarbaPanagos
:!: :!: :!: Johannes, once again you have created a unique piece of art!!!
Thanks for your great contribution to our hobby!

Re: OSE Φ1 Lbms/Lbms-v Yugoslavia 1964

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:24 pm
by STEFANOS G
BRAVO Johannes.