Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby BarbaPanagos » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:52 pm

I think we need such a topic ;)

this is an interesting shot, not only the ΣΓΕ inscription, but the caption too "Greek Soldiers at Svilengrad" (?)
original photo here: http://retours.eu/en/11-simplon-orient- ... -greece/#2

anybody could identify it?

Bulgaria-Greece by Simplon Orient Express with Jack Birns in 1950 - retours 2013-12-29 15-17-21.jpg
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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby Andreas » Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:56 pm

Oh..what a fine shot :shock: though it will be difficult to identify the wagon. It belongs to the CFFH but the most interesting thing is that it still carries the original CO running number. G 2997... G was the initial for 2 axle closed good wagons on the CO. So the picture is from WWII.

This is my small contribution.

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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby BarbaPanagos » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:11 pm

Andrea, have a look at the link above, the photo is from 1950, and these are supposed to be Greek soldiers at Svilengrad (!?) inspecting the border trains...

I mean, they are definitely Greek soldiers, their uniforms is the British BD (Battle Dress) introduced to our army since the first formations in exile (Middle East) during WWII.
Even it it's not from 1950, it's with no doubt shot after liberation.
I just wonder if it is possible the Bulgarians would have accepted Greek troops at their border station...

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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby GAZKGK » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:10 pm

According to some 1940-something paper-search, it is probably one of the 130 freight cars, ex- Γ.Ε.Σ. G(F) 2978-3107, 40 of which, later were renumbered to ΣΕΚ Ζτ 3883-3922...

As soon as we have not any other info (for example tare, capacity, length, etc) from that one in the photo, we can not compare much ....
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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby GAZKGK » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:33 pm

My turn now ...


WHAT is that ?? .... It's now at the parking for the municipality vehicles at Chalandri as an office ...

With a maintenance car's number as 30 73 100 7 183-1, ex- Σ 19080 (older maintenance car number, found through papersearch).

Of course , no builder plates, no original number (if it ever had one as SEK) . What i'm sure about is that it was left in Greece during W.W. II but i can't guess anything more.

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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby BarbaPanagos » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:54 pm

interesting...
these steps look original and more suitable for a passenger wagon than a freight one...
and the door looks like it was there from the beginning...
maybe some German luggage wagon?


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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby Olympus » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:27 pm

Hello to all

I found not the perfect Topic for this car, how many cars runs from this type in Greece?

OSE: I1 110518 gondola wagons at Eleonas, May 2006.
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and Model, new from REE Modeles 20276 (CFL) "Bauart Ludwigshafen"
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@BarbaPanagos, can you also make a lettering for this car?

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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby GAZKGK » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:08 am

Olympus wrote:I found not the perfect Topic for this car, how many cars runs from this type in Greece?


I suppose we will never know, as soon as it was a car left in WWII in Greece..... and all those were grouped together after the war. :(
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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby BarbaPanagos » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:37 am

Hi there, as I see at Nondas' list there were 20 gondolas left behind after the end of the war. I don't know how many different types were of them, I have seen only the yellow one at Amphiklia. Also the numbering of this one does not correspond at the list (?)
Someone of us with more photos should open a new topic.

About the decals, we could make them if the wagon is still at Eleonas (I've never been there) and the lettering is still readable...
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Re: Standard Gauge Freight Wagons Identification

Postby GAZKGK » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:46 am

Panagiotis,

At Nondas list as i remember he refers to 20 left-behind gondolas that were CONVERTED to sugar-beet gondolas, numbers .... I1 20 73 511 0 000-019 (if i remember well) (we can open some day a new topic about them). You have photographed one at Ipato.

These 20 gondolas (plus 3 more) were picked from hundreds of wooden left-behind gondolas, one of which is the one at Amfiklia which has a maintenance car number (100 7 288-3 (by heart :D :mrgreen:-my memory surprises me ), ex- 6-digit number Ιπ 110....


Of course this car has been scrapped some years ago.
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