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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby christo » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:26 pm

Since we now have Pierre B. amongst our midst I thought of asking some info on this carriage. My photo was “borrowed” in the French forum Loco Revue Presse but I could not understand the French contributors’ comments. Besides I give the photo now with better resolution :mrgreen:

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Photo Balkanmodels: April 1990 at PES Thessaloniki at the end of those infamous sidings. The carriage in question.

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Photo Balkanmodels: April 1990 at PES Thessaloniki at the end of those infamous sidings. The works plate of the above carriage.

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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby GAZKGK » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:09 pm

That is an ex- D.R. and ex- KPEV Prussian coach, which was left at Greece by the Germans and numbered initially Γρπτ 599 and later Βφπτ 599. Based at Thessaloniki it stopped serving in the early 60s with last revisional inspection at 30/9/1959. It was about to be scrapped since 1963 when it was at Lachanokipi. Then it was transported to SOM and in 1987 it was officialy exluded from the scrap lists to survive as a museum item. Around 1990 it was again transported to Lachanokipi to wait its destruction in 200x. (it surely existed untill 2002, but i don't know the exact date of its ''dissapear'').
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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby Andreas » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:12 pm

It is a prussian 1st,2nd class compartment coach built on the plan AB D.I. 21 ordered probably by the A.L. (Alsace Lorraine) but was delivered to the KPEV. Reason for this is unknown.... :roll:
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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby christo » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:25 pm

Γρπτ 599 and later Βφπτ 599

Just one question Jason. I found this photo on the Internet. It looks like the same carriage but the number seems to be Βφπτ562. Any suggestions?

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Photo George Nathenas.

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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby GAZKGK » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:51 pm

That photo is taken by George Nathenas.

Of course i can not recognize those ancient beaties only by looking at them... my reply about 599 was based on the builder's plate and works number which is true that Βρπτ 599 was built by DE DIETRICH et CIE, NIEDERBRONN with Works number 50187.

Βφπτ 562 was again an ex- DR and ex- KPEV (Prussian) carriage but built in Germany in 1902 by WEYER...something.

So in my point of view something of the following is true :

a) The DE DIETRICH builder's plate is not of the coach you posted it with

b) That one on George Nathenas' photo is 599, not 562.

c) they are very simillar wagons ... :mrgreen:
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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby christo » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:32 am

OK good news for all who followed this question. Jason is right. I dag into the negatives box and ...the plate I took did not correspond to that carriage. So here I go again, hopefully with all mysteries solved.

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All Photos Balkanmodels: Carriage Βφπτ 562 is by Dusseldorfer 1902. Note that there are only three remaining buffers in all photos, and note the last inspection date!

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Photo Balkanmodels: April 1990. Carriage Βφπτ 562 again near SOM Thessaloniki.

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Photo Balkanmodels: Carriage Βρτ 599 is by De Dietrich works number 50187 of 1913.

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Photo Balkanmodels: The works plate of carriage Βρτ 599.

...and finally for today

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Photo Balkanmodels: An ex JSC carriage by Franco-Belge Paris 1895.

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Photo Balkanmodels: April 1990. Two ancient wagons with preservation numbers painted on, near SOM Thessaloniki. Slightly off topic but at the right end of the photo the brake hut of the JSC carriage.

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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby christo » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:44 am

...and the postscript :cry:

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Photo Balkanmodels: Carriage Βφπτ 562. The beginning of the end.

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Photo Balkanmodels: Carriage Βρτ 599 the one with the questions. THE END. I hope (and pray :oops: ) Jason could tell us otherwise.

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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby GAZKGK » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:39 pm

Unfortunately, christo, ....

it may be this at Lachanokipi, or otherwise it is completely ''disappeared''...


I don't say anything else, because 1 photo = 1000 words ...


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And a photo of something simillar found inside a newer carriage, again at Lachanokipi

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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby BarbaPanagos » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:58 pm

ok guys, this is not going to be easy :D

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Έλληνες αξιωματικοί σε αναμνηστική φωτογραφία στον σιδηροδρομικό σταθμό της Λαμίας το 1940, κατά την διάρκεια της μετακίνησής τους στο πολεμικό μέτωπο
Army officers on their way to the Front, Lamia station, 1940 photo from the fb page ''Ιστορικός Συλλέκτης Βέροιας''

any idea about that restaurant behind them?


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Re: OSE Passenger Coaches Questions

Postby theo » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:20 pm

good afternoon to all...i have a question....Christo in his page has the first aid car...which model is closed to the prototype???http://www.balkanmodels.biz/images/30731007_332-42.jpg
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